what does a mini ice age mean ?

[airdrop]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GP4Sajaa4t4 this might be the out come , not great snow falls but changing growing patterns that will disrupt food production . In some area's we might see it go drier and in others wetter and cooler slowing growth and causing problems with plant diseases . It may cause us to modify our growing programs , maybe small green houses . If low light from the sun is the problem then grow lights may be in order to help plants .

[Cwi555]

http://news.spaceweather.com/sunspots-vanish-space-weather-continues/

So far the predictions for a 2019 minima are wrong. We are already at the bottom of the curve with output of UV already plummeting. Not a good thing, especially in consideration of the fact the earth never fully recovered from the atmospheric shrinking of the last minima.

[southernmom]

http://news.spaceweather.com/sunspot...her-continues/

So far the predictions for a 2019 minima are wrong. We are already at the bottom of the curve with output of UV already plummeting. Not a good thing, especially in consideration of the fact the earth never fully recovered from the atmospheric shrinking of the last minima.

Wondering what you think of http://spaceweathernews.com/ or the updates of 'suspicious observers' on youtube I follow them.

[Cwi555]

Wondering what you think of http://spaceweathernews.com/ or the updates of 'suspicious observers' on youtube I follow them.

I don't follow any youtube channel. In my mind it's trading one set of talking heads for another. I will quote sites that don't put a spin on what they report, in that only the data is reported. My preference is for me and a group I trust with my life to perform that analysis.

For youtube in general, most of them tend towards being long winded. Most of them are also in it for notoriety/money and not to help and educate, tending more towards sensationalism to further that aim. A wise man once told me "if someone needs half an hour to make a point, they probably didn't have one to begin with".

With that said, I'd have to say I'm agnostic to both of them as I don't pay them any attention.

[Celt]

"If someone needs half an hour to make a point, they probably didn't have one to begin with".


Sage advice there..............

[airdrop]

Well this information has to come from somewhere because it's not coming from the Fake Media or our socialist science outlets . This brings up a few questions what is the end game here for lying to the people by the warmers . On the surface it looks like power and money , tax carbon and control countries by doing that but if you know that the end results will really be colder climate change that leads to more famines and starving people , either your crazy or something else even more evil is working under the surface . So you go back to the last mini ice ages and look at what happened when famine racked the world , plague . So why would someone want to throw us to the wolf of death , Population control . But how is that possible when we know how to control the black death ? Look out there and ask yourself what is the NEXT plague , well if the people were depleted and the right strain broke out , Bird Flu would do it and much better than the old plagues that killed millions . So if you had it in your mind that the population needed to be culled why wouldn't you miss direct the world and hope for the grime reaper to enter the house of man and do what you think is right . I don't care were the information comes from that might save us , we're sure not getting it form the people that want to kill us . I don't care if a few youtubers want to make a little money getting out the word , it's still the word , more than we're hearing from the powers that be .

[southernmom]

I like suspicious observers and adapt 2030 because they tend to be less longwinded and seem to just 'get it said'.

Do you follow 'fullspectrum survival', airdrop? He gives quick 5 minute-or-so news updates every day. Just facts, which I like.

[Cwi555]

Well this information has to come from somewhere because it's not coming from the Fake Media or our socialist science outlets . This brings up a few questions what is the end game here for lying to the people by the warmers . On the surface it looks like power and money , tax carbon and control countries by doing that but if you know that the end results will really be colder climate change that leads to more famines and starving people , either your crazy or something else even more evil is working under the surface . So you go back to the last mini ice ages and look at what happened when famine racked the world , plague . So why would someone want to throw us to the wolf of death , Population control . But how is that possible when we know how to control the black death ? Look out there and ask yourself what is the NEXT plague , well if the people were depleted and the right strain broke out , Bird Flu would do it and much better than the old plagues that killed millions . So if you had it in your mind that the population needed to be culled why wouldn't you miss direct the world and hope for the grime reaper to enter the house of man and do what you think is right . I don't care were the information comes from that might save us , we're sure not getting it form the people that want to kill us . I don't care if a few youtubers want to make a little money getting out the word , it's still the word , more than we're hearing from the powers that be .

I do care if they are trying to make money off it. That motivation brings into question the information they are 'selling'. Target the audience, sell them what they want, if they don't know what they want, define it for them, marketing 101. If that sounds familiar, it should. Main stream media took that one step further. That is why I called it switching one set of talking heads for another.

There are all points of the political spectrum online. What makes one more trusted than another? Are the trusted ones trusted because they align with what you believe, or are they trusted because they put information out that is what it is, rather than what we would have it be? That is an important distinction.

How is it opinions are formed? Are they formed via shutting out opposing views, or are they formed from personal research and critical thinking?

The extreme elements of both the left and the right tend towards attempting to shut out one another. Does shouting down opposing thoughts make a person's thoughts and opinions right? Letting one person or groups of people spoon feed my opinion to me without researching it for myself, makes me no better than the people standing at the back of townhall meetings or university lectures from guest speakers shouting down opposing opinions.

The Internet if used for its originally intended purpose, empowers the individual to access nearly any background information needed to form their own thoughts and opinions.

http://deep-web.org/how-to-research/deep-web-search-engines/

You can start at that link for research regarding your first question.

My information and opinions are my own. They may be right, they may be wrong, but you can be damn sure they are born of either direct experience or research.

[Sacajawea]

One of the articles I've read about the solar minimum we're in, said that - for 10-20 years - temps could cool, light would be less beneficial for growing (probably both a change in frequency and "intensity", and time available)... so turning "research" into "news we can use"... it seems logical to me, to think about planting varieties that do well in cooler zones and adapting our growing techniques to the conditions - as they change.

So, along the practical side of things, here's some links to info you can print & keep "just in case"...

http://permaculturesouthernhighlands.info/journal/coolclimateveg.htm

http://blog.thompson-morgan.com/crops-for-a-cool-climate/

https://bestcoolseeds.com

https://store.tomatofest.com/Tomato_Varieties_for_Cooler_Climates_s/47.htm

And I believe - I need to do some more reading - that permaculture gardening would give a homesteader a little edge in cooler growing weather.

[airdrop]

http://www.encyclopediavirginia.org/Little_Ice_Age_and_Colonial_Virginia_The

this might tell you a little bit about Virginia but usually I search , what was the (location ) during the little ice age and will come up with a bit of history . It's just looking for clues .

[Sacajawea]

Here's kind of a benchmark on yields per vegetable, that would give you a baseline to guesstimate how much to plant per person. Obviously, this will vary alot if say, your crew eats a lot of italian food. But it also helps to gauge any changes in yield, from year to year, in relation to environment.

http://www.harvesttotable.com/2011/06/vegetable_crop_yields_plants_p/

[southernmom]

The big thing about gardening is to get out there and make the mistakes now. There is a huge learning curve. Don't take that for granted. Take for instance-you can't plant many plants around walnut trees-the plants will die. Walnut trees produce juglones to keep anything from growing near them. So if you are gonna do the whole food forest guild thing you may not want to create one around a walnut tree.

Really look at your seed storage and think in terms of calories-will you have enough to survive? Now is the time to test you knowledge and theories. Experiment now. Look into perennials (I am a broken record.) Buy seed from several reputable sources.

Another thing to think about and if you ignore the rest of what I say please hear this: pesticide drift. Not just sprays from a neighboring fields that travel to your garden but loads of pesticide contaminated manure or hay can be contaminated. I have had this happen to me twice on a smaller scale and it really is frightening. THINK before you take a load of manure or compost-people who spray their fields or buy hay from sprayed fields and feed this to their livestock or even use the hay to compost their garden can wind up losing everything from aminopyralid sprays (broad leaf herbicide)and it goes straight through an animals digestive tract and never breaks down and winds up all over your broad leaf plants and will kill them. (corn is somewhat safe as it is a type of grass) Here is a good article:

http://www.thesurvivalgardener.com/compost-will-destroy-garden/

[Sacajawea]

Hmmm. Maybe I SHOULD make an offer for that Fjord gelding I saw in the local Craigslist - just for the manure potential. The asking price was pretty reasonable I thought; he's broke to ride and ready to break to drive.