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angeryamerican
11-11-2016, 03:27 PM
It's only been six years, but I finally finished Cry Havoc! Grab a copy and let me know what you think about it.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MTLS9JC/ref=as_li_qf_sp_asin_il_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=angerameri-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B01MTLS9JC&linkId=2d318668a033c26eb9e0f46123c037bd

Boston_Joe
11-11-2016, 03:35 PM
I'm grabbing a copy now. I'll leave a review once I devour it.

kickstand
11-11-2016, 09:28 PM
Purchased and downloaded . Now....about Rebuilding Home.....

USCitizen
11-11-2016, 10:12 PM
Just downloaded it from Amazon. Can't wait to start it tomorrow...or maybe tonight...

apache235
11-12-2016, 11:24 AM
Bought it will read soon.

apache235
11-12-2016, 09:17 PM
Well I'm on chapter 9, this is hard to put down. I get such a warm fuzzy feeling about my government makes me wish to live in a fun place like Detroit or Atlanta or Chicago s/o. At least we don't have Clinton this term, although I'll breath a little easier after Jan 20th.

Hobes
11-13-2016, 06:55 PM
just in time, I needed to download a new book. Thanks AA..

Hobes
11-14-2016, 05:10 PM
Angry

mate what can I say, a great read so far, I just cant put it down. my train rides to work and back are just not long enough....well done mate, I love ya work.

apache235
11-14-2016, 11:21 PM
OK, book 2 is coming out when? Oh by the way, very good job, love the characters, very good plot. Did I ask when book 2 is coming out?

CoastieCWO3Ret
11-15-2016, 04:50 PM
I downloaded it at Amazon and finished it in about 9 hours over two evenings. EXCELLENT READ!! I could have finished it quicker if the wife hadn't been trying to talk to me. I have read and enjoyed the Going Home series several times. I think the scenario that plays out in Cry Havoc is a much more likely SHTF scenario than an EMP/CME event. But hey....what do I know about that stuff. You keep writing it and I'll keep buying it. Any timetable on a Cry Havoc 2?

Valliam13
11-16-2016, 01:05 PM
I'm working on Avenging Home. Once I'm done, I'll see about Cry Havoc and some others that I REALLY want to read. We're in the middle of a bathroom remodel and had to postpone because we ended up re-piping our whole house! Things are crazy. I need a nap... or vacation.

W.Lynn
11-18-2016, 10:35 PM
And what kind of naming scheme to use? Continue the quote, and make it "Let slip the the dogs of war" works. But after that, the lines from Mark Anthony get kind of ugly and awkward.

There are other good spots of phrasing within Mark Anthony, or you can look toward "cool exclamations from Shakespeare" as a theme, and that really opens things up to some interesting phrases.

WhiteBear620
11-19-2016, 05:15 PM
And what kind of naming scheme to use? Continue the quote, and make it "Let slip the the dogs of war" works. But after that, the lines from Mark Anthony get kind of ugly and awkward.

There are other good spots of phrasing within Mark Anthony, or you can look toward "cool exclamations from Shakespeare" as a theme, and that really opens things up to some interesting phrases.

Lots of books with Dogs of War in the title, plus I guess dogs of war is taken to mean mercenaries in the modern term? In light of recent events, how about "Cry Me a River"? :D
Read the free sample, will pick up the book hopefully soon after Christmas shopping is finished.

W.Lynn
11-19-2016, 11:55 PM
Yell, chaos, as in - set up a ruckus and get the soldiers up, man the gates, put the archers on the walls, etc. Ever hear of a modern soldier calling for a strike "danger close" or even "bring the rain!" (Either directly or in a movie?) "Cry 'Havoc!'" was an order you'd give to someone else, and they'd call it out to the soldiers to melee, chaos, and looting, basically, bring an end. "And let slip the dogs of war!" was further referring to bringing out the soldiers. Most Englishmen of the bard's day knew it at least in passing, so it appears (with minor variations,) in several of his works.

redman2006
11-20-2016, 07:25 AM
Not that it goes with these titles, but "Fire at will" "Target rich environment ", "Free fire zone" and so on, could make for decent titles in this genre.

W.Lynn
11-20-2016, 10:28 AM
Yes, but authors need to be happy with it, and publishers need to be able to say that it's at least not the most common phrase used in a title in the genre (when we were waiting for the first ones to appear on Amazon and at Barnes & Noble, I found out from web searches just how well used "Going Home" was as a title ... on crap I'd never spend money on.)

apache235
11-20-2016, 01:54 PM
Given the right circumstances, the characters in Cry Havoc could very well become The Dogs of War, who knows what happens to anyone when push comes to shove. Given the "evilness" of DHS and a bloated Federal Government concerned only with their own power, the "average" American may very well turn into the worst nightmare of the two aforementioned groups. Why do you think that ex-GI's, gun owners, preppers, conservatives etc were put on the domestic terrorist watch.

W.Lynn
11-20-2016, 04:46 PM
Yep.

W.Lynn
11-20-2016, 04:51 PM
Not that it goes with these titles, but "Fire at will" "Target rich environment ", "Free fire zone" and so on, could make for decent titles in this genre.

How about a post-apocalyptic comedy set, "Don't fire at Will" (subtitled "He's on OUR side!")

"Target poor environment"

"Free fire costs too much"

Job
11-21-2016, 12:52 AM
...."Weapons Tight"....

WhiteBear620
11-21-2016, 08:50 PM
In continuing with the theme of the meaning of the term "Cry Havoc"; how about "Weapons free", "Free to engage" and finally
"Unleash Hell"
http://www.daily-player.com/images/articles/unleash-hell.png

KyDave59
11-21-2016, 08:55 PM
How about "Lock and Load"? "Hounds of Hell"? "Call the Demons"?

Dave

WhiteBear620
11-21-2016, 09:19 PM
"Call the Demons" makes me think of the Battle of Camaron:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Camar%C3%B3n
"These are not men, but demons!"
Probably has nothing to do with the book, just made me think of it.

W.Lynn
11-22-2016, 10:26 AM
I like it, but I raise a little hell myself, from time to time.

Sacajawea
11-24-2016, 10:18 AM
Well, this book came to a sudden and unexpected ending. I kept trying to turn the page for the "happily ever after" bit... LOL. I guess that's what the second book is for. Still, it was an appropriate stopping point and my inclination for "more" story will just have to wait I guess.

Not like I don't have PLENTY to keep me busy these days.

kickstand
11-26-2016, 12:25 PM
Well, this book came to a sudden and unexpected ending....

Ya, he does tend to do that . No doubt that it helps sales of the next installment , but sometimes ya just want to catch AA in a dark alley and pummel the ending /answer /scenario out of him, like when he left us hanging after the girls got blown up.

angeryamerican
12-01-2016, 03:30 AM
LMAO. Kick, you get can't get what ain't there! You guys think I plan these endings. But I don't. The process does something like this:

When I write I let the characters drive the story. I have major milestones in mind, plot points to introduce. But I never know when or how they will arrive. I simply follow the characters as they muddle through it. The ending of Cry Havoc was really interesting. When Bob looks around and says, "now what, indeed." the story stopped there because what comes next was far too much to include in one book. I thought it was going to be a single book, didn't intend to make it the opener. But that's how it worked out.

Just like with Morgan and crew. I NEVER know when I start a book where it will end, not to mention half the stuff they do in the middle. I'm also working on another story at the moment that came to me one night when I was trying, very unsuccessfully, to sleep. It was right after the election. Something about it was bothering me. Clinton seemed to give up too easily and this idea started rolling around in my head. I finally had to get up and start putting it down. While I'm concentrating on book 8 at the moment, it's a good break to wander off into this one from time to time. I have a concept for it, but at the moment it's rather formless. I'll have to see what these people do. But from what I've seen already, whatever they do, it'll be pretty damn interesting. This one is so far away from my other books it's really interesting to see. Maybe some day you guys will get to see it.

Actually, that gives me an idea. I might do a trip down memory lane and start posting that one here. But you'll probably have some long gaps between posts. Or, like days of old you guys pestering me may actually force me to work faster. That was a lot of fun back then and I miss it. But we'll probably have to put in the basement.

kickstand
12-02-2016, 09:51 AM
Oh damn, are we going to start the Moar Buk stuff again?

Talk about going down memory lane, as read that, it reminded me of my accident (not in a bad way), and the resulting friendship and support that was offered here, starting back on SB. Ahh...good times . Light it up brother and post away!

Kailani Kealoha
12-22-2016, 12:46 AM
Ya, he does tend to do that . No doubt that it helps sales of the next installment , but sometimes ya just want to catch AA in a dark alley and pummel the ending /answer /scenario out of him, like when he left us hanging after the girls got blown up.

Why do I get the feeling you just ruined one of the books for me... I'm only on book 5 I think.

WhiteBear620
01-07-2017, 10:22 PM
I think I'm about halfway through Cry Havoc, I'm really loving it. AA, I like that this a completely different story from the Home series. Not all writers can write a multi book series, start a new one, and not have it be like you just tweaked the original and put a fresh coat of paint on it. Makes me rethink some of my preps as this is a scenario that could unfold very quickly in real life.

W.Lynn
01-08-2017, 10:26 PM
Why do I get the feeling you just ruined one of the books for me... I'm only on book 5 I think.

He got to a nice length on one and left a cliff-hanger. Nothing too unusual, shouldn't ruin it for you.

J Ram
01-13-2017, 10:49 PM
Yep, add another hit to your list AA......

Great different perspective from the aspect that you're looking at a major urban environment vs the burbs. I also like that the crisis is different from Going Home Series, Hope, and Charlie's req.

My only thought/wish, and maybe you can revisit in a follow-on to this, is what would several months look like in the city for a group or two that are not tied into the system (like the officers/agents in Charlie's req) could not escape the city (or chose not to leave)? Maybe a group of city preppers that are stuck because they have no place to go or cannot get by Gov't blockades and a group of Militia that chose to stay behind and fight.

But again, excellent job sir...I was once again thoroughly entertained.....and educated.

WhiteBear620
01-14-2017, 04:34 PM
Yep, add another hit to your list AA......

Great different perspective from the aspect that you're looking at a major urban environment vs the burbs. I also like that the crisis is different from Going Home Series, Hope, and Charlie's req.

My only thought/wish, and maybe you can revisit in a follow-on to this, is what would several months look like in the city for a group or two that are not tied into the system (like the officers/agents in Charlie's req) could not escape the city (or chose not to leave)? Maybe a group of city preppers that are stuck because they have no place to go or cannot get by Gov't blockades and a group of Militia that chose to stay behind and fight.

But again, excellent job sir...I was once again thoroughly entertained.....and educated.

I too would like to see this. But I imagine if it was a realistic story it would be a very tragic one lots of characters dyeing from firefights and other hazards.... But then again it worked for that one guy, I think he was in Serbia during the time his city was basically the exact situation you described.

J Ram
01-15-2017, 10:11 PM
I too would like to see this. But I imagine if it was a realistic story it would be a very tragic one lots of characters dyeing from firefights and other hazards.... But then again it worked for that one guy, I think he was in Serbia during the time his city was basically the exact situation you described.


I agree, I definitely think there would be some dark aspects much along the lines of AA's book Hope and lots of death/dying....probably a couple of relocations from bldg A to bldg B and then maybe to bldg C as they are forced to move due to discoveries.......how would the militia fare conducting guerilla urban warfare? Maybe....just maybe...they find a way to survive (e.g. cooperating with other like minded/skilled individuals they lock down a city block and protect it from not only the hordes but the DHS goons as well....(becomes too deadly to enter without major loses which they don't want to expend so they abandon it until some far off future date) maybe they get some help from the militia.... But I think it would be one of those reads you just can't put down.

KyDave59
01-16-2017, 06:31 AM
I have to wonder how many militias, though, would be located in urban areas? I'll freely admit that I'm not a militia expert. But, most of the ones around here seem to be located, primarily, in rather rural areas. That's not to say that they don't have members in the urban areas. But, most of them seem to have their meetings/shoots/commands/etc., outside of the urban areas.

I had considered joining one of the local militias a couple of years back, but I'm really outside the age range that most of them want. They, for the most part, want people in the 18-45 year old range, and, at 57, I'm well outside of that range. Plus, with my health issues (diabetes, detached retinas, etc.), I'm not sure how well I'd be able to do field deployments. But, having said that, I did function as a training officer for one of the local ones, and wrote up a couple of dozen training articles for them, mainly on how not to get oneself killed while out in the field, mostly by doing something Real Dumb.

Dave

Boston_Joe
01-16-2017, 08:30 AM
Dave,

Would you post those articles here? I would love to read them.

KyDave59
01-16-2017, 01:30 PM
I'll see if I can find them. It's been a couple of years ago. If I can find them, I'll post them.

Dave

P.S. Or, I could always write fresh ones. :-)

WhiteBear620
01-16-2017, 02:59 PM
I agree, I definitely think there would be some dark aspects much along the lines of AA's book Hope and lots of death/dying....probably a couple of relocations from bldg A to bldg B and then maybe to bldg C as they are forced to move due to discoveries.......how would the militia fare conducting guerilla urban warfare? Maybe....just maybe...they find a way to survive (e.g. cooperating with other like minded/skilled individuals they lock down a city block and protect it from not only the hordes but the DHS goons as well....(becomes too deadly to enter without major loses which they don't want to expend so they abandon it until some far off future date) maybe they get some help from the militia.... But I think it would be one of those reads you just can't put down.

I've read some writing on how military minds think about fighting in urban terrain, generally, it's very costly with a benefit sometimes going more towards the defender. If anyone else is a fan of Max Velocity, he sort of goes into this in one of the battles in Patriot Dawn: defenders can have huge advantages if they aren't above losing the buildings they're defending as they engage attackers while advancing rearward through "rat lines" (paths literally smashed through the structures that allow the defenders to move without being in the open), the attacker gains a big advantage if the defender insists on holding the structures as they can literally burn them out.
I wouldn't really rely on most "militias" because what I've seen is a lack of fitness and realistic training among them, not the guys I would want to have to rely on, especially if I don't already have a relationship with them pre-SHTF; there are obviously exceptions with there being some actually good militias out there. Also, as most "militias" training and gear is geared towards rural, I'm not sure how well they'd actually fair when facing an urban environment.
With the hypothetical tyrannical government goons, most of the room clearing techniques currently practiced among professional units doesn't work so well against people who are armed and ready. Try doing a stack up when the guys on the other side of the wall suddenly dump a whole mag through that wall before you breach the door. Or you clear the house, but the enemy decides to just leave out the back/through a window and waits for you to enter the structure (obviously this is if the goons don't have a perimeter around the structure); if you ask the Israeli's or the Germans how they clear structure they know contain hostile people with no one they wish to save on the inside, they'll just blow the damn building up and wait for people to come crawling out. AA sort of does this very thing in book 8 ;)

KyDave59
01-16-2017, 09:02 PM
One of the local militias declares itself to be a "recon" outfit. The one I was writing training articles for was also more oriented towards recon.

We face a bit of a strange situation in Kentucky, due to some shenanigans of a previous militia, the Kentucky State Militia, which ended up being commanded by a convicted felon, who ended up getting in trouble with the law again, and fleeing prosecution. He still hasn't been apprehended, over a decade later, and I don't know that anyone has even heard from him (There's been some speculation that he's dead, but I've made it very clear that I don't want to know!).

http://archive.adl.org/learn/news/militia_puckett_fugitive.html

As a result, the militia movement was fractured, and I don't know that a unified militia has ever been recreated in Kentucky. Plus, with Kentucky's geography, what with being long and relatively thin, organizing a state-wide organization is difficult, due to travel. As a result, several small militias have been formed, but most of them are too small to be effective, at least for anything other than reconnaissance. Plus, due to the bad taste left in people's mouths via the anti-government policies of the defunct KSM, most of the more recently organized militias have concentrated on working with the local government. The few I'm familiar with now are all small groups, designed with the idea of being the eyes and ears to gather and feed information into the government, where it can be acted upon by the regular army, national guard, or police forces.

On the other hand, you have national militia organizations, such as the Oath Keepers. They purport to consist of former military and law enforcement officers. However, they're been involved in some prominent conflicts which call their goals into question, such as the Bundy Ranch Standoff, the Malheur Wildlife Refuge Standoff, the Ferguson, Missouri Riots, and even the Kim Davis situation. There have also been some rumors of a fractured command structure.

Of course, that doesn't mean that you don't still have quite a few anti-government people running around out there. But, the local groups I'm familiar with have been rather careful to screen the members to keep those extremists out, and have, for the most part, attempted to work with the government, rather than against it.

There's also a bit of a tendency to think of militias as "rednecks with guns". Unfortunately, that can be the case, if the group isn't administered correctly. And, a lot of those guys will be out of shape, along with having little idea of what's involved in an actual field deployment, so much so that they have more to fear of getting themselves killed by doing something Real Dumb than they do from enemy action (whoever the enemy may turn out to be). That was the subject of most of the training articles I had been writing; how not to get yourself killed by your own stupid actions.

Along those lines, I've grown up on a farm, and have over five decades of experience in the woods and wilderness, along with 8.5 years on a local governmental emergency response team, although I'll certainly admit that I don't know everything. However, I wrote about my experiences, and how I have come to grips with some bad situations, in the hopes that it would help keep people out of similar situations, or, at least, make them better prepared. One thing that I repeatedly pushed was to get out into the field and train. Then, sit down and review what you did correctly and, more importantly, what you did incorrectly, after the exercise is over. Another point I repeatedly made was to not point fingers, nor assign blame. When failures occurred, it was a system failure.

As for urban warfare, I don't know that that's anyone's idea of fun. The prototypical example is the defense of Stalingrad during World War II. The Germans poured a rather incredible number of men and machines into that attack, and were gradually worn down (The weather didn't help them any.). I've heard various numbers with regards to the ratio of attacking to defending forces, for a successful attack, but it's usually around an order of magnitude or greater (e.g., 10:1 or more). And, that makes taking an urban area incredibly expensive.

Of course, the other example is the way the Soviets took Berlin, by basically creating a rolling artillery barrage, which reduced the vast majority of the city to rubble. But, they weren't intent on capturing the city for their own use, and they did not have any intentions of preserving the lives of the German civilians who were still there. Their intent was to simply smash Berlin into oblivion.

Oh, yeah, one of the subjects I pushed was to study. Study previous military engagements. Study asymmetrical warfare. Study communications. Study operational security. Study cartography. Study surveillance. Study communications methods. What happens when your cell phone goes dead? How do you communicate with your team, or to summon aid? Study adverse weather survival skills. When the electricity goes out in winter, how do you stay warm? Study transportation. When the HEMP hits, and wipes out 99 percent of the vehicles, how to you cover terrain? Study food preservation and supplies. Study first aid and medical treatment. Study search and rescue, so you can rescue one of your members who has become lost, or a member of the community, perhaps even a child (I've been on a couple of those searches.). Study illumination so that you can function in the dark.

Then, get out and practice what you've studied. Everyone likes to think that they can do a 10 mile hike with a full pack. But, when you actually hit the field, going across country, in the heat of August, or the cold of January, you'll quickly find that most people will be doing good to cover a quarter of a mile before they have to sit down and rest. But, you won't know what you're capable of until you actually try it. So, get out there and try it, after having studied.

Dave

IronWarriors3/354
06-06-2019, 12:36 PM
So has there been any talk of a Book #2?

kickstand
06-06-2019, 03:09 PM
I haven't heard about a Cry Havoc 2 (but that doesn't mean one isn't planned), but are you aware of the Charlie's Requiem stories that AA wrote with Walt Browning?

IronWarriors3/354
06-06-2019, 06:48 PM
I haven't heard about a Cry Havoc 2 (but that doesn't mean one isn't planned), but are you aware of the Charlie's Requiem stories that AA wrote with Walt Browning?

Yes I am I know I read the first one didn't know there were others. I will look for them for sure. I have pretty much read everything AA has put out.