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aramark
06-23-2015, 09:37 AM
How I do it if I need two cans of soup for dinner I buy 4. Put two away and don't use them. I try to do this with everything food related, dry foods too have alot 70 pounds of pasta.

Zef_66
06-23-2015, 09:44 AM
How I do it if I need two cans of soup for dinner I buy 4. Put two away and don't use them. I try to do this with everything food related, dry foods too have alot 70 pounds of pasta.

This is a good idea to start getting a good pantry setup. But don't forget to rotate your food preps as well. When you buy 4 four and use 2. The other two need to go to the back of your preps. Then if you need something without running to the store, you take from the front, or the oldest preps first. This will make sure you always have the freshest food possible.

W.Lynn
06-23-2015, 11:07 AM
Also buy in themes. The spouse I so adore is coming up on a day of consuming only clear liquids, prior to some tests. I could have covered this occasion entirely with supplies in the house already, but he grew up consuming lots of store-bought because his mom worked full time, and actually developed a taste for that stuff. So off to the store for gatorade, packaged broths (ick,) and flavored gelatin.

I'm seeing an excuse for jello-shots in my near future.

Betty Buckshot
06-24-2015, 08:30 PM
Shopping the store sale flyers helps too. If you find it on sale buy 6 or a whole case depending on product/price.

reddawnspokane
06-28-2015, 07:26 PM
Also check the ads for corresponding coupons. Items tend to go on sale in 3 month rotations.

Sacajawea
07-29-2015, 05:24 PM
W. - here's our swamp water jello shot recipe:

Berry blue jello
1 c. water
1 c. Fireball whiskey

To me, it takes like blueberry pie with a kick.

MillenniumMan
07-29-2015, 07:50 PM
.69 per box of 1lb macaroni shells at Giant, 10 box limit per visit with the club card. After 4 trips in and out and getting canned cheese, I brought everything home.
Something like this, you don't just pass up.

Zef_66
07-30-2015, 12:42 PM
.69 per box of 1lb macaroni shells at Giant, 10 box limit per visit with the club card. After 4 trips in and out and getting canned cheese, I brought everything home.
Something like this, you don't just pass up.

The local discount grocery store has macaroni in several different shapes for the same price all the time if you buy a case of 20lbs. It's where I usually head when I need pasta.

kickstand
07-30-2015, 02:01 PM
What is your preferred stored protein? I know that lots of folks swear by canned tuna, but we just don't care for tuna, so that's a "no". We typically get a couple of cans of chicken or roast beef to go into the buckets/pantry. Canned chicken / roast beef isn't something that's in our regular diet, but we far prefer that to tuna. Any other ideas?

Zef_66
07-30-2015, 02:50 PM
What is your preferred stored protein? I know that lots of folks swear by canned tuna, but we just don't care for tuna, so that's a "no". We typically get a couple of cans of chicken or roast beef to go into the buckets/pantry. Canned chicken / roast beef isn't something that's in our regular diet, but we far prefer that to tuna. Any other ideas?

We don't have a good long term protein storage. Short term (1-2 years) we have a freezer full of meat which can run off the battery backup and solar panels. We also have a few cans of tuna and chicken. But nothing substantial. Eventually, I would like to get some yoder's bacon and mt house or similar freeze dried meat.

Kelly
07-30-2015, 03:26 PM
What is your preferred stored protein? I know that lots of folks swear by canned tuna, but we just don't care for tuna, so that's a "no". We typically get a couple of cans of chicken or roast beef to go into the buckets/pantry. Canned chicken / roast beef isn't something that's in our regular diet, but we far prefer that to tuna. Any other ideas?

Check out http://beprepared.com/. They have freeze dried meats such as sausage, beef, chicken, etc. These can be pricey, so I suggest you watch for the Group Specials and get on their email notifications. For example, their freeze-dried sausage was something like $52/can; then went on sale for $35 but on a recent a group buy special (12 cans), it went to $17/can with free shipping.

I grabbed some and intend to open one and give it a go. Hopefully it was money well spent.

There are other protein sources for you to consider; just do an internet search for 'high protein foods' to give yourself some ideas. Sardines are another good one but if you don't care for tuna, I'm betting those are a no-go for you, too.

Kelly

MillenniumMan
07-30-2015, 03:32 PM
What is your preferred stored protein? I know that lots of folks swear by canned tuna, but we just don't care for tuna, so that's a "no". We typically get a couple of cans of chicken or roast beef to go into the buckets/pantry. Canned chicken / roast beef isn't something that's in our regular diet, but we far prefer that to tuna. Any other ideas?

Canned chicken, ham, bacon and beef jerky. Then perhaps kidney and pinto beans.

bnorr79
07-30-2015, 05:48 PM
We have a discount grocery store here called Aldi. Their canned food is nearly half the price of the local big chains and to me it tastes better. Plus I put away canned chicken and hams, pasta, large amounts of salt and spices, oats. And this fall I plan to store some wheat from a local farmer I'm friends with. Gonna seal that in Mylar bags inside 55gal plastic barrels.
Plus I have a couple 5gal buckets full of Gatorade powder in 1gal mix packs and I'm adding to it all the time. Water is good, but electrolytes need to be had in some form or another also. Also have a couple hundred MRE's. Those are last resort.

W.Lynn
07-30-2015, 08:23 PM
I have a decent supply of canned protein (short term regular items, and long-term freeze dried.) I have beans and rice, and freeze-dried fruit & vegetables, but less emphasis on things that grow 3/4s of the year, within 50 miles.

kickstand
07-30-2015, 08:33 PM
I have a decent supply of canned protein (short term regular items, and long-term freeze dried.) I have beans and rice, and freeze-dried fruit & vegetables, but less emphasis on things that grow 3/4s of the year, within 50 miles.

You store tumbleweeds?

Robert Young
07-30-2015, 08:45 PM
Long term protein, I think of dry canning some hamburger. I haven't done it just yet, but i also can deer meat. Which if stored in a controlled environment will last a long time. I canned some deer meat in December of 2012 and had a few jars left over. i opened one the other day and it was fine. Of course this was kept in my basement and the majority of the time in the dark and around 70 degrees.

W.Lynn
07-30-2015, 08:53 PM
Kick, sage grows here.

DMH
07-31-2015, 08:27 AM
Ditto what Kelly said. Check out the pantry can sizes. These are less expensive to buy and try before you purchase the #10 size. But if/when SHTF, ain't no one in this house gonna be picky!

Kelly
08-06-2015, 11:08 AM
Wally's carries Auguson Farms brands of storage foods. While I'm not a fan of Wally's, when I have to go there, I make sure it's either bare minimum or make sure it hurts them with heavy items ordered from them online. With 150 lbs of sugar, salt, etc., that free shipping has to hurt them a bit (I hope).

/rant off

I cannot speak to the quality of Auguson's products as I have not yet broke open any cans. With that caveat, see the Auguson line at walmart.com; search for 'emergency food'.

Kelly

Kessler
08-06-2015, 11:16 AM
A word of caution:

If you store in 5 gallon plastic buckets, be sure to check the bottoms once a year or so for cracks. I have had two crack and although the food was in Mylar and not compromised, I wasn't a happy camper!

unseenone
08-06-2015, 01:15 PM
And don't use the gamma seal lids, and stack them, I broke several. I learned this the hard way. When you stack them, do it like a pyramid to distribute the weight off the center. There's a write up and some pictures I posted a while back.

W.Lynn
08-06-2015, 02:00 PM
Un, someone told me to use the regular lids, and just switch to gamma seal lids when you're using the contents.

unseenone
08-06-2015, 04:36 PM
correct, that is the best way.

Cwi555
08-06-2015, 05:02 PM
A word of caution:

If you store in 5 gallon plastic buckets, be sure to check the bottoms once a year or so for cracks. I have had two crack and although the food was in Mylar and not compromised, I wasn't a happy camper!

That's usually a sign of extended exposure to light/uv and or thermal break down. I have had some stacked (with gamma lids) three high for years and haven't had a problem. Weight limit for that particular brand is three hundred pounds with a fifty pound margin of error. I rotate every two years so that in a six year cycle, one bucket only has two years on the bottom. They are kept in a darkened location, no exposure to temperature extremes, nor light until we are there to rotate or picking up/dropping off.

Not all food grade buckets are made the same either with some better than others. HDPE (high-density polyethylene) buckets as designated by the #2 inside the recycle symbol on the bottom are considered the better grade. PETE (polyethylene terephthalate #1), LDPE (Low-density polyethylene #4), and PP (polypropylene #5) are food grade. They each have pros and cons, but for overall performance the number 2 is the best one for its resistance to light, structural strength, and resistance to thermal fatigue. The #4 has a much lower strength but otherwise the same as #2. #1 tends to be more susceptible to degradation from light and thermal, especially thermal. #5 tends to be weaker all around.

The symbols look like this;
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/U%2B2674_DejaVu_Sans.svg/120px-U%2B2674_DejaVu_Sans.svg.png

To give you an idea of the difference between HDPE #2 and LDPE #4, the former averages 30 mpa ultimate tensile (4351 psi) and the latter 7mpa (1015psi). Compressional strength varies depending design and nominal thickness, but I've tested mine at 300# plus.

Long and short, there are many potential reasons for a bucket to crack, if one does its time to start asking why.

unseenone
08-06-2015, 06:39 PM
Here is the thread showing the picture of the cracked gamma lid.

http://angeryamerican.net/showthread.php/1117-Preps

Kessler
08-06-2015, 06:45 PM
I have no idea why they cracked. They were not stacked, on the floor and in my pantry inside the house. Maybe a bad batch? They were not loaded down heavy either and not in light except when I turned a light on. Others loaded heavier have not cracked, but it wouldn't hurt to keep an eye on them, especially if you expect them to be full of life saving vittles at a later date....:)

Cwi555
08-06-2015, 07:24 PM
Here is the thread showing the picture of the cracked gamma lid.

http://angeryamerican.net/showthread.php/1117-Preps

Looked at the pictures. That's an odd location for a crack. The only ones I've seen do anything similar turned out to not be HDPE, and Chinese counterfeits.

unseenone
08-06-2015, 07:31 PM
Well, I had them stacked 3 high, but some buckets were heavy. Obviously I put the heaviest on the bottom. By design, if you actually study the lid, the weight goes on the center of it, and the lip part (that broke off on multiple buckets) takes all the weight..

I was careful not to "shock" load it, by dropping buckets on it. I was very careful in general.

I just do not think they are designed to stack. But you see there, the label and all.. Seemed genuine decent quality..

After I discovered the first broken one, I thought, oh, bummer. Replaced it and went on. Next annual inspect, 3-4 more were busted, and that's when I took action. Of course contents are also sealed in Mylar, and had not lost suction so I was good there.

Just did not take the weight. I think 4 in all broke before I finally sorted it out, rearranged the buckets and replaced the broken lids with permanent ones. Also have a couple of spares.

Over Tightening?

Cwi555
08-06-2015, 08:03 PM
The sharp turn on it makes me think stress cracking. Stress cracking is a brittle failure that occurs at a stress level lower than the short-term mechanical strength of the material. In that time frame, I am inclined to believe there was something wrong with those lids before you got them in your hands.

Gwynmael
08-07-2015, 07:47 AM
Not all food grade buckets are made the same either with some better than others. HDPE (high-density polyethylene) buckets as designated by the #2 inside the recycle symbol on the bottom are considered the better grade. PETE (polyethylene terephthalate #1), LDPE (Low-density polyethylene #4), and PP (polypropylene #5) are food grade.


An info tidbit on ^that -- while the plastic may be food "grade", it isn't automatically food "safe". It's the form mold release agent that determines if it's food "safe". The food "safe" release agents are more expensive, hence the higher cost of buckets and lids that are labeled as food "grade".

If you're also using mylar so that there is no direct food contact to the bucket, it should be safe. That risk is for everyone to determine for themselves.

whydahdvr
08-12-2015, 01:18 PM
What about salt-beef and salt-pork - a la 18th and 19th c Army/sea rations?

unseenone
08-12-2015, 01:33 PM
Good Idea.

I do Dak Canned Hams, Beef Stew, Hash and that sort of thing.. Along with Freeze dried meats. The problem with freeze dried stuff, it the calories are low. The good thing is it keeps forever. The problem with current MRE rations is they do not have the shelf life, and true MRE's are hard to find.

My better half tossed out the last few cases of C rats just because all the cans were puffy. Plenty of guys were getting food poisoning just before the first MRE's came out. They were still using ones from Vietnam. I was pretty annoyed as I could have pulled all the extra packs with P38's, TP, etc. in them... Oh Well...

kickstand
08-12-2015, 01:53 PM
Don't you just hate it when our wives keep us safe from ourselves? Now admit it, you probably would have popped one of those cans open and tried it, just to see if it was ok. :)

unseenone
08-12-2015, 02:45 PM
LOL, well puffy is one thing, leaking is another.. They were leaking.

W.Lynn
08-12-2015, 05:34 PM
Puffy or leaking cans must go, but dang, the loss of all those accessory packs!

W.Lynn
07-18-2017, 03:17 AM
I rotated some preps big time this week.

Lunch was fried rice, leftover cooked rice from another meal, a bit high on the spam, but I'll admit I used a little much. Add some carrots and onions (I hope to always have diced carrots and dried or freeze dried onions on hand, so quick to use,) but forgot that I have a large can of freeze-dried mushrooms open. Used a fresh egg, but Mountain House would have worked, used up some soy sauce and noticed the brown sugar was low.

I was going to go to the store anyway, so 6 pounds of dark brown sugar later, and I should be good til the end of the year for that at least, maybe longer. Since I fought the cap off an unopened bottle of soy sauce, I knew I had to replace that, so that's another purchase that was made, and someone used up the water chestnuts - or at least, the ones I hadn't used up, so I got another 4 cans of those, and several cans of pork and beans.

I'm a bit overdue to prep some metals, but that's often the case when we prep other high-dollar items (the cross-bows! Did I mention my cross-bow? I really, REALLY like my cross-bow.)

No, I don't think I'll be trying to trade ammo or silver for anyone's beanie-weenies. I might let someone hire me for some of my skills, and yes, I'll take trade if they don't have silver or gold. Live chickens & rabbits, canned goods, manual labor, but at the moment, I just don't see myself desperately trying to trade an ounce of silver for anyone's beanie-weenies.

I don't even like beanie-weenies.

Beowulf
07-18-2017, 09:25 AM
Any idea about the shelf life on the single serving SPAM packs? I keep a couple in my bag in the trunk of my car but with the heat, it can't be going well. So far they aren't swelling up but I think I need to check them.

Cwi555
07-18-2017, 10:09 AM
Any idea about the shelf life on the single serving SPAM packs? I keep a couple in my bag in the trunk of my car but with the heat, it can't be going well. So far they aren't swelling up but I think I need to check them.
2 years @ 78 aka ideal conditions. Never tested under your conditions, but I'd be surprised if it made it three months.

BlueWolf
07-18-2017, 10:35 AM
I've started keeping a small bag of LTS foodstuffs at work (IT cube farm); mostly protein bars and a few pb crackers. Living in Alabama's long summers with high heat and humidity does not lend to keeping food in my go-bag. Same for water; keep extra in the back of a cabinet and can grab both on the out the door.

Cwi555
07-18-2017, 10:47 AM
I've started keeping a small bag of LTS foodstuffs at work (IT cube farm); mostly protein bars and a few pb crackers. Living in Alabama's long summers with high heat and humidity does not lend to keeping food in my go-bag. Same for water; keep extra in the back of a cabinet and can grab both on the out the door.
Water is available in your locale, suggest keeping a means of purification available handy. I would also say, on your way out the door today, pay attention to where that water is along your route home. If it's wet, it can normally be cleaned/purified if you're prepared.
I would also suggest a cache or two along your route. Don't assume you'll be able to grab your stash on the way out.

Infidel
07-18-2017, 11:23 AM
I saw a 50lb rice bag at costco yesterday. I should of bought it but my wife has been giving me crap about white rice LOL.

Cwi555
07-18-2017, 11:31 AM
She's right about the highly processed bleached white rice.

Infidel
07-18-2017, 11:33 AM
we eat brown rice at home but it doesnt store well i heard.

Cwi555
07-18-2017, 12:10 PM
There are a multitude of rice varieties. The brown rice you speak of does not store well due to the higher Trans and poly fat content which makes it go rancid faster. White rice that is without the processing isn't that bad, but assuring that is next to impossible.

Brown is better for you, but not good for LTS or MTS.

Sticky rice aka glutinous rice is a good option for LTS, next to that is Indian Basmati, followed by Jasmine rice. The latter being more midterm than LTS. There are options a plenty, but I do strongly recommend researching them rather than taking any given persons word including my own.

BTW, remember white rice is processed brown rice. Parboiled if done right can extend it's life.

Beowulf
07-20-2017, 01:39 PM
2 years @ 78 aka ideal conditions. Never tested under your conditions, but I'd be surprised if it made it three months.

Will check it in Sept. If it ain't "puffy" I'll open it. The date on it says 2020 or 2012 but I'm sure it's at room temp like you said.

Cwi555
07-20-2017, 03:49 PM
Will check it in Sept. If it ain't "puffy" I'll open it. The date on it says 2020 or 2012 but I'm sure it's at room temp like you said.

Had some go bad long before the printed date. The problem with items such as this, is that there is no way to know what conditions they were stored under prior to coming into your hands.

kickstand
07-22-2017, 11:17 AM
Here's a pretty decent short article. I don't think that anyone here would currently fall into the Hammer category, but it's insight into how some seemingly "normal " folks think.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/07/20/preppers-are-you-a-hammer/

Cwi555
07-22-2017, 11:36 AM
Here's a pretty decent short article. I don't think that anyone here would currently fall into the Hammer category, but it's insight into how some seemingly "normal " folks think.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2017/07/20/preppers-are-you-a-hammer/
The term I use for what he describes is raider. There are a multitude of historical examples of raider mentality, culture, and pseudo governments. None of which played out well over time.
They should not be confused with the practice of salvage. The latter being defined as taking possession of something that has been abandoned. One is armed theft, the other is not.

redman2006
07-22-2017, 11:48 AM
Hammer hell. That is a no good, low down theif. And it will only work until he runs into someone better prepared than he is. Those kind need to be summarily shot should shtf. The only thing keeping trash like that in line now is the fear of reprocussions. Should that fear be removed, they will show their true colors.

0utlaw
07-22-2017, 11:59 AM
I think we've all met them. The other personal favorite of mine..." I'm coming to your house"
Many of you have seen this but I email it to folks on a regular basis with varying results...

Dear Friend:

I love my friends, but I will shoot you if I have to. I’m serious. Here’s why.

I tried to persuade you to prepare for what’s coming and, in the process, revealed that to you that I’m preparing. You realized that I have food, guns, etc., and ended up saying, half kidding but half serious, “I’ll come to your place when SHTF.”

No you won’t. I will shoot you. If you threaten me and my family, I will use force to defend against any threat. And showing up at my place hungry and unprepared is a threat to me. You will eat my food and use up my medical supplies, generator, firewood, etc. That’s less of these life-saving things for me and my family. That’s a threat.

Is this greed on my part? No. I will take care of the truly needy – those who cannot take care of themselves. But you are different. Very different. You had plenty of chances to prepare for yourself.

But what did you do? You spent the weekends watching football, went on expensive vacations, and never made your spouse mad at you with your “crazy” ideas that something bad was happening. You didn’t do shit because… you would just come to my place. Problem solved, right? You didn’t need to spend time, money, and create domestic strife because I did that all for you.

Not. Why should I spend my time, money, and stress just so you can waltz into my place and live happily ever after? I’m a nice guy, but – really? – I’m going to spend my (very limited) free time, disposable income, and domestic tranquility just so you can have a leisurely life and more material comforts pre-Collapse while I don’t?

Why do you think I will sacrifice enormous amounts of my time and money so you can enjoy yourself while I’m slaving away? Would you assume you could come over and leave your broken car at my house? That I would just spend thousands of dollars on parts and several weekends fixing it and then hand it over to you with a smile – just because I’m a “good guy”? Would anyone expect that?

You do, apparently. You actually expect to waltz over to my cabin and receive – with a smile – thousands of dollars of food and other supplies that took me all my weekends to acquire and store.

So, my grasshopper friend (as in the story of the grasshopper and the ant), here is your official warning: if your “plan” for your and your family’s safety is to come to my place, you’re wrong. When you show up, I’ll ask you to leave. When you don’t, I’ll point a gun in your face. If you refuse to leave, I will shoot you. You are a threat to me.

You had years of time and very clear warnings to get ready. But you didn’t. Hey, I love football but haven’t been able to watch a game in a few years; I’ve been fixing up the cabin, buying supplies, and training with the Team. I spent a lot of money doing all these things so I haven’t gone on a long vacation in… forever. I have had several difficult times with my wife because of all the prepping I’m doing; I could have easily done what you did, which is just say “Yes, dear” and not prepare because she didn’t want you to.

I hope this message jolted you. There’s still some time. Go prep. Please understand that your plan cannot be “I’ll come to your place.” I don’t want to shoot you.

kickstand
07-22-2017, 01:43 PM
Ya, but you always get those who don't think it applies to them.

0utlaw
07-22-2017, 01:54 PM
You better have supplies, skills, or preferably, a combination of both or you're not getting in the gate.

Cwi555
07-22-2017, 02:33 PM
A lot of people prep with the only goal being to live another day. I would submit that there needs to be something more than breathing another day.

7.4 billion people continue breathing as of this moment in time. Many of which have been reduced to that goal alone for years on end, with only some of them getting out of that ditch. The ones I know personally all ended up shooting for something more than just breathing. It doesn't take long to get in the ditch, but it's a fight to get out of it.