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fisty
05-15-2014, 03:08 PM
back in book 1 when the event takes place, there is no talk about airplane crashes? I know in a EMP event a lot of air craft will become big bricks in the sky.

MillenniumMan
05-15-2014, 03:47 PM
Hmm....

The only airport I know of between Ang... Morgan's house and where his truck stopped at is somewhere in Leesburg, and isn't that a private airport? I know the old farts in Lady Lake don't have one.

The only traffic otherwise would be Gainseville to Orlando or GV to Tampa, and those go way away from Morgan's trail.

Help me out if I'm wrong.

fisty
05-15-2014, 03:54 PM
I am thinking more along the lines of the Big Jets going to Jacksonville Orlando or Tampa i know chances are at lest one would be near enough to see the crash. at lest i would think. or at lest he may walk up on wreckage at some point.

W.Lynn
05-15-2014, 04:58 PM
Even a brick will fall in a more manageable way if it has enough wing and tail, there's a pilot or two around can speak on it. In the books, I imagined it contributing to the cityscape on fire images that Morgan viewed on his new friend's tablet.

angeryamerican
05-15-2014, 06:18 PM
Fisty, it's just one of those things I didn't get into. You're correct and there surely would be a great many crashes. The area Morgan walked through isn't really on a flight path, that's farther east. Probably should have gotten into it though.

fisty
05-15-2014, 07:03 PM
well maybe you can add one of the crashed jets in the next book

W.Lynn
05-15-2014, 07:59 PM
Or small craft, there'd be instruments failing and small craft setting down in all kinds of unlikely places. I bet a plowed field would look very inviting to someone with fried electronics, in a glide, unable to lower retractable landing gear.

kickstand
05-15-2014, 08:16 PM
Mmmm...fried 'lectronics...isn't that a Wyoming meal choice?

reddawnspokane
05-15-2014, 11:00 PM
I always wondered about that too. Just looked at it as a narrower look at things. Good questions though.

Jstwaiting
05-16-2014, 08:51 AM
Hmm - wonder if fisty works for IRS. Lots of questions there......

fisty
05-16-2014, 01:26 PM
no but my girlfriends mom/bitch works for the IRS

MillenniumMan
05-16-2014, 04:37 PM
no but my girlfriends mom/bitch works for the IRS

Wow... Don't let your girlfriend read that or she'll be your ex-girlfriend.

fisty
05-16-2014, 04:48 PM
she calls her worse

White4Delta
05-24-2014, 08:52 AM
I'm still trying to understand how some of the vehicles are being used? How are chopper still flying or did I miss how they are still working? I can see how older machines are still working. Anyone have knowledge they can share?

W.Lynn
05-24-2014, 12:36 PM
The mil has quite a few of many things in shielded buildings (or even in bermed, grounded, hardened buildings) at any one time.

macandjeeps
06-03-2014, 01:14 PM
most of your basic military gear is hardened against EMP as i understand it. Most of your F4s and stuff have been declassified enough to know EMP testing and hardening was done - so it's reasonable to presume all modern equipment would have been and be successful to varying degrees.

Concerned Dad
08-06-2014, 05:28 PM
I wonder if air force 1 has been hardened? It's an older plane some maybe it would be less vulnerable.

Tex
08-06-2014, 05:56 PM
I saw a documentary on Airforce 1 awhile back and EMP attacks were one thing they mentioned. They hinted at there being some protections, but they did go into any detail at all. They said that Bush2 took to the air on 9/11 and he stayed airborne for quite awhile until they were able to get somewhat of a grasp on the situation. Supposedly not knowing what was going on and whether or not an EMP attack was likely, for him to ride out the situation in the air leads me to believe that it would have to be hardened against such a thing.

Perhaps someone with more insight could better answer this question.

We do have a member here who worked for a company that made and sold armor products to the military. He may have a good answer on this subject.



Tex

AD
08-06-2014, 06:08 PM
That would be a "need to know" issue. Meaning unless you need to know what protection it has, you wont get any info on it. I surely did not have any info on that. That would be above TS SCI level....way above!

Tex
08-06-2014, 07:03 PM
That would be a "need to know" issue. Meaning unless you need to know what protection it has, you wont get any info on it. I surely did not have any info on that. That would be above TS SCI level....way above!

Well, I figured if anyone from our board knew or had any information along those lines, it would be you. You could have just made up some cool sounding bs story and none of us would have ever known the difference and you would have looked mega cool and knowledgeable. I guess just go back to being plain ol' AD and we will still like you anyway.


Tex

Goingbush
08-06-2014, 07:48 PM
Most Large Aircraft are faraday cages, thats why they are not affected by lightning strikes.
But still I would not want to be one of the 400 sardines stuck in a modern Fly By Wire Aircraft . (at any time esp not during EMP)

AD
08-06-2014, 08:11 PM
Especially on this subject, i want to be clear i do t know anything. Claiming you do can get you visited and I dont want that.

I wasnt being snippy with you when I said need to know. I simply meant I never had the need to know nor was I ever involved with that platform.

Concerned Dad
08-06-2014, 08:51 PM
I guess if anyone is protected, it will be the ones who decide how to spend our money. Of course the rest of us are just left to fend for ourselves. But that's why we are here isn't, to get ready.

angeryamerican
08-06-2014, 11:31 PM
We have a product that will protect you 100% from EMP, CME or anything along those lines. It also prevents RF eavesdropping and surveillance. Added to that are it's awesome thermal properties and it's a fantastic material. I can get the stuff in sheets and you can line a room or an entire house with it and it will be protected. Of course it will do nothing for the lines coming in, you'd have to have a physical break in those, for comms fiber is a good alternative, an optocoupler works. For power, well, there is no sure fix for that at the moment.

RD
08-09-2014, 08:32 AM
I wonder if air force 1 has been hardened? It's an older plane some maybe it would be less vulnerable.


CD- Trust me it is, several years back I had the opportunity to two of my boy's down to Tinker AF for a detailed tour of an AWAK. We learned a lot interesting things one being that AF 1 is EMP proof as is the AWAK. I am extremely glad we are the only country that has AWAK's, the things that aircraft has the ability to do would blow your mind and scare the crap out of you at the same time.



RD

MillenniumMan
08-09-2014, 09:14 AM
Still like to figure out how to shield a solar panel. Those are very vulnerable considering they're just thin strands of silver and copper wire embedded in a silicon reactive plate. Equipment in northern areas would be more susceptible to X-flare and CME based electromagnetic pulse damage due to the closeness of the magnetic pole.

AA, Is this material transparent or translucent? Is it something similar to a bug screen mesh? If so, what kind of weather resistance does it have?

angeryamerican
08-09-2014, 11:25 AM
It's not MM, it's a solid panel, 3/4" thick and more depending on which you have.